So it is within the walls of the voting booth, that the doom of our time will be decided

"MrDakka" (mrdakka)
11/01/2016 at 12:28 • Filed to: Shitpost, Lord of the Rings

Election is one week from today. Who are you going to vote for? Saruman or Sauron?

DISCUSSION (86)

TheHondaBro > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:31

I mailed in my ballot a few days ago.

I voted...

For the least stinky turd in the bowl.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:31

Why would I throw away my vote on one of those two jokes?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 12:33

So you can at least be assured that the person with actual government experience gets in instead of the lying cheeto that has been bankrupt several times?

Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:34

John Cena

interstate366, now In The Industry > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:35

I haven’t decided who I’m going to write in yet.

For Sweden > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:36

SMOD

TheHondaBro > interstate366, now In The Industry
11/01/2016 at 12:36

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/1788446283

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:37

We should build a wall in front of the voting booth.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 12:37

Voting against candidates has done far more damage to this country than either of these mockeries ever could.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:37

Once again, South Park put it best:

Kinja'd!!!

We are doomed.

uofime-2 > TheHondaBro
11/01/2016 at 12:37

cthulhu?

Stapleface > Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ
11/01/2016 at 12:37

National Security risk. The Secret Service won’t be able to see him.

TheHondaBro > uofime-2
11/01/2016 at 12:37

If only.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > TheHondaBro
11/01/2016 at 12:38

Me too, actually a while ago, I went to NPR to see about all the shit I didn’t know much about. No condoms and weed for everyone!!! But seriously, Drumpf is a megalomaniac that doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself, this whole thing is about his ego, not the American people. He does not give a shit, he just wants power and more of his ego coke.

DipodomysDeserti > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 12:38

Yeah, the lady who thinks wifi causes brain damage, and the pot head who’s as tuned into world events as your average fourteen year-old are the serious candidates...

Wacko > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:38

I have a feeling Terry Crews will be the #1 write in

Kinja'd!!!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 12:38

Disagree... you’re going to get one of these. Might as well pick your poison.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 12:39

That’s like signing Andrea de Crasheris because he has experience, which isn’t an endorsement of The Donald who’s pretty much Jordan King.

...who shouldn’t be confused with the king of Jordan who’d I’d actually vote for because he’s a badass.

EL_ULY > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:40

Liam Neesons

Kinja'd!!!

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > DipodomysDeserti
11/01/2016 at 12:45

I keep hearing that I should vote for the lesser of two evils. Why not the least of three? Sure, Johnson’s foreign policy question was probably embarrassing for him, but I can’t see Trump answering it any better. He’d probably just redirect. Clinton could give a compelling answer, but you’d be hard pressed to believe it.

My first choice dropped out long ago. I don’t think there’s anyone left who would be good at the job. But if we’re talking about “serious” candidates, neither of the front runners fits the bill.

Besides, I can’t decide who I’m afraid of more, so I guess I just won’t vote afraid.

TheJWT > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:46

Kinja'd!!!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 12:46

Why vote for the lesser evil? Vote Cthulhu! Greatest evil!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > uofime-2
11/01/2016 at 12:47

Why vote for the lesser evil when you can vote for the greatest evil?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/01/2016 at 12:47

Crasheris can be more easily compared to Trump. All the opportunity possible and just drives crap into the ground. Or a wall... He had experience, but it was in crashing stuff more than racing.

but listen, I’m going to disengage now for purposes of avoiding oppo drama.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 12:47

But why? Why do we keep picking poison?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
11/01/2016 at 12:47

Change pronouns and names and you have the other one. I’m not participating this year.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/01/2016 at 12:48

NO LIVES MATTER.

Milky > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
11/01/2016 at 12:53

Isn’t that episode 12 years old now? Yet still always relevant.

Milky > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 12:55

Already sent my vote in, for Clinton. Trump doesn’t believe in climate change and his supreme court choices would NOT help.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 12:55

De Crasheris had a long career that he cocked up. Jordan King hasn’t yet and is the quintessential rich kid buying into F1 like The Donald is with politics, though I guess King is at least working hard towards it even if he doesn’t have the talent to back it up.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 13:04

I dunno, but you’re there now. And frankly I’d say better to pick mercury over cyanide.

Anyway, I’m trying to disengage and avoid oppo drama. Goodbye until the next post.

Mid Engine > interstate366, now In The Industry
11/01/2016 at 13:05

Kinja'd!!!

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Milky
11/01/2016 at 13:12

Timeless is the word you’re looking for.

Like when they were commenting on Apple’s Terms & Conditions agreements. Timeless humor...

Kinja'd!!!

I love South Park, haha

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > For Sweden
11/01/2016 at 13:14

The clear choice, great on security AND wealth management.

Sam > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/01/2016 at 13:16

Gotta go vote for the state and municipal elections, though. Those actually matter a lot.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Sam
11/01/2016 at 13:18

Not where I’m registered to vote. Lee County Florida is like the world capital of retired racist GM employees. Seriously, even in relatively landslide elections like 2008, that county goes over 75% neo-con. My neighbors were pretty much all Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino.

Krieger (@FSKrieger22) > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 13:22

Gegene for shitposters.

Bourbon&JellyBeans > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 13:25

Maybe I’m biased, but I just don’t understand how so many people seem to be on the fence with this election.

Hillary has some sketchy shit going on, and has pretty certainly done things...not by the book. Fine. But she has at the very least had a successful political career thus far and her accolades can attest to that.

Meanwhile...you have a super rich, narcissist bullshitter who hasn’t been a politician a day in his life and who has proven time and again that he is a xenophobic, sexist, arrogant, ignorant, and sincerely stupid individual.

It really isn’t that much of a fucking toss up guys.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 13:32

You may be there, but I’m not. I’m done voting for poison.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 13:34

Gary Johnson

bhtooefr > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 13:34

But a third party vote, if it gets them to at least 5%, gets them federal election funding for 2020. (And, it increases the more over 5% they get.)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stapleface
11/01/2016 at 13:34

But neither will the assassins!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 13:36

Well, I’m Canadian, so no I won’t.

It affects us too, though. And everyone else.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > bhtooefr
11/01/2016 at 13:37

If the margin was safe enough, I’d probably agree. It’s too tight to waste a vote though IMO

Stapleface > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/01/2016 at 13:37

Good point. Imagine all the money a Cena presidency could save the taxpayers. They would need no secret service at all!

Cherry_man1 > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 13:38

I actually have no idea still I’m gonna wing it.

bhtooefr > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 13:42

I’ll be voting for Jill Stein, as I did in 2012.

She panders too much to the woo-mongers in her party, but her party has shown response to pushing the woo-mongers out with the 2016 revisions to their platform, and I would like to see the Green Party be brought up to be a credible left-wing party here in the US - right now, we have an extreme right-wing party and a center-right party.

Now, you might say that I’m throwing my vote away, but if Stein gets at least 5% of the national popular vote, the Green Party gets access to federal election funding in 2020, which will help bolster their position as a truly left-wing party, and might even help them get downticket wins. (This is also why, if you’re not in a swing state (I am, but I cannot vote for Clinton in good conscience), it’s throwing your vote away to vote for either Clinton or Trump - if your state is safe, vote for the third party of your preference, to get them funding for 2020, and pressure your mainstream party of preference.)

Downticket, I’ll be voting for Democrats, though - there’s nothing meaningful available for the Green Party right now from voting for them downticket, and I think the best way to stop Trump in case he does win will be a congressional majority for the Democrats.

RallyWrench > Wacko
11/01/2016 at 13:49

I dunno, Beef Supreme could mount a late challenge.

Sam > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 13:52

The plurality system prevents a third party from ever winning. A vote for a third party goes one of two ways: a) You’re jusy throwing your vote away or b) You’re voting for the Rep/Dem candidate you didn’t want to vote for.

The two-party system is literally the only way that elections in the US will ever work. And it will never, ever change (unless the entire country filled every seat in Congress with someone who isn’t a career politician and doesn’t care about reelection, because it requires an amendment to the Constitution)

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > bhtooefr
11/01/2016 at 13:56

If only she wasnt such a nutjob about nuclear energy. Nuclear power, especially thorium, is much greener and produces less radition byproduct than any fossil fuel method.

Sam > bhtooefr
11/01/2016 at 13:56

Funding isn’t what holds third parties back. The plurality (51%) system is what prevents them from ever winning.

Also, Johnson’s hope of getting to 5% died when he didn’t know what Aleppo was or any leaders he looked up to. He’s polling in the 2s and 3s in the few states where he’s even on the ballot at all.

DipodomysDeserti > bhtooefr
11/01/2016 at 13:58

You realize 5% of the federal funding with not help in the least bit in a presidential election, right? Do you have any concept of how much private money pours into these things?

Sam > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
11/01/2016 at 14:02

She’s also an anti-vaxxer. Honestly, she’s not even qualified to run a daycare, much less the most powrful nation in the world.

Sam > bhtooefr
11/01/2016 at 14:05

The best way to cripple a party is to make their fringe party stronger (Green if you don’t want the Dems to win, Libertarian if you don’t want GOP to win). Its called the spoiler effect, and it’s the entire reason we didn’t have President Gore. So in effect, you’re supporting GOP if you vote Green (though not in this election, because Stein is going to get <1% of the vote).

DipodomysDeserti > Bourbon&JellyBeans
11/01/2016 at 14:06

Xenophobia, racism, sexism, homophobia...that’s what they’re talking about when they say, “make America great again”.

Wacko > RallyWrench
11/01/2016 at 14:09

Kinja'd!!!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stapleface
11/01/2016 at 14:15

Alright, Gary Johnson I’m done I’m voting John Cena, we’re libertarians you’ll understand. we both want less government spending. It all makes sense to vote for Cena.

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 14:17

Yeah trump starting a nuclear war over a mean tweet won’t do any harm at all.

bhtooefr > Sam
11/01/2016 at 14:32

Except, no, she’s not an anti-vaxxer. She’s pro-vax, but calls for more separation between the FDA and the drug companies that they regulate, to help build trust in drug regulation.

bhtooefr > Sam
11/01/2016 at 14:35

Except that it may pressure the Democrats to pull left. Or, if the Democrats continue their veer rightward, it may cause the Greens to replace the Democrats as the default left wing vote, and the Democrats to replace the Republicans as the default right wing vote.

Even in our two-party system, new parties have gained power - the Republican party was a result of the Whig party fracturing over slavery, after all.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > bhtooefr
11/01/2016 at 14:39

The concept of anyone being pro/anti vax is absolutely ridiculous. You are either for vaccination or you are retarded. But yeah, what you are saying makes perfect sense.

Bourbon&JellyBeans > DipodomysDeserti
11/01/2016 at 14:43

That’s what scares me.

RallyWrench > Wacko
11/01/2016 at 14:44

Kinja'd!!!

bhtooefr > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)
11/01/2016 at 14:48

Myself, I’m weakly pro-nuke, I’d say.

They’re clean, zero CO2, stable base load (something that’s important especially with added renewables, to have stable base load) on the grid... when done right.

At the same time, though, there’s other ways to get zero CO2 stable base load, through energy storage, and the problem with nukes is... they’re hard to do right (yes, I know, thorium’s easier to do right), and I’m not certain that the US has any way to run a nuke that’s safe from how humans fuck up nukes. Political cycles make the government a bad choice - in 2-6 years, a well-meaning government can be overridden entirely, and then the nukes are in the hands of a government that tries to do it cheap and causes a disaster. Corporate ownership is similarly bad - there’s a profit motive, so they do it cheap from the start. About the only way I could see to do it is if they’re owned by universities, where they can be isolated somewhat from both government and corporate pressure (basically treating the nukes like tenured professors), but...

As a result, while I’m pro-nuke, I don’t exactly have a problem with anti-nuke people.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata
11/01/2016 at 15:01

About as much as Hillary starting a nuclear war for profit. Our ballot is the Joker and the Mob.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Sam
11/01/2016 at 15:10

I guess you’re right if you disregard a huge portion of US history when more than two political parties vied for the presidency.

Maybe a vote for a third party is also c) a desire to return to this, d) a refusal to participate in this absurd mockery which is trying to pull apart a country I grew up loving.

Maybe it’s just a protest, but when my “legitimate” options are both dug from the bottom of a septic tank, I believe it’s the only way I can make my vote matter.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 15:16

Obviously it does. Which is why we need to change things. How many contending political parties do you have? Four? More? This disaster you’re seeing play out to the south is what happens when there are only two. Do you want us to keep clinging to that backward system?

I’m voting with the next 40 years in mind, and not just the next 4.

Jayhawk Jake > Bourbon&JellyBeans
11/01/2016 at 15:38

I think it’s fairly clear which is the ‘lesser of two evils’. The issue now is a lack of motivation to cast a ballot for a candidate that isn’t liked

Bourbon&JellyBeans > Jayhawk Jake
11/01/2016 at 15:42

I let my fear of the words “President Trump” make me send in an absentee ballot two weeks ago. Lol

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > Bourbon&JellyBeans
11/01/2016 at 15:43

I wouldn’t be so sure. I’m pretty certain Hilary is going to involve us in Syria. She was an advocate for intervention when she was Sec of State and know she wants to establish a no fly zone there. Sounds like it’ll be the Gulf of Tonkin in the Sky!

Jayhawk Jake > Bourbon&JellyBeans
11/01/2016 at 15:49

I’m only voting so I can go and vote against every incumbent. I might just skip the president slot. I didn’t want or vote for either of these candidates, I’m not picking one just because the other is “worse”

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 16:13

No, I don’t, but frankly you need to do that when there’s two half-decent candidates, not when it’s “bad” vs “disaster”.

It’s a “roof doesn’t leak when it doesn’t rain” situation. It’s dangerous fixing it in a thunderstorm, but you should take care of it after it passes or you’ll be screwed again.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 16:28

All I see on the ballot this year is disaster.

But American politics is about escalation. If Clinton doesn’t win, why, in 4 years, we need a Clinton to out-Clinton Clinton! We need a Trumpier Trump!

The thunderstorm isn’t going to pass. They’re just going to get worse and worse. I’m not going to waste another vote (like I have in the past), hoping we’ll get someone decent next time. If I get to choose between casting a vote for one of two sides of the authoritarian coin and casting a vote to send a message, I’m going to send a message. At least my conscience will be clear.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 16:43

hoping we’ll get someone decent next time.

The key is when you get some decent candidates, vote third party so you can fall back on them the next time. Of course nobody is going to do that.

But anyway, you’re going to do whatever you’re going to do, and no internet stranger is going to change your mind. It would be the same were the roles reversed. I’m just going to go my merry way thankful that you aren’t voting for Trump.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 16:47

Yeah, I don’t think he’s going to win, anyway. Enough conservatives hate him for not actually being conservative, and enough Sanders-supporting liberals folded to Clinton’s side just to prevent Trump.

mrbaits > Milky
11/01/2016 at 16:54

Thank you, regardless of how you feel about the two candidates, the policies and supreme court noms they have proposed should at least give some idea of the next 4 years will be like.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 16:59

Maybe, but it’s just too damn close for comfort right now.

CaptDale - is secretly British > MrDakka
11/01/2016 at 20:14

Johnson

Sam > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 22:15

The Electoral College and “first past the post” system has existed since the Constitution was drafted. More than one party has run for many years, but only 2 of them have ever had a chance at winning. The third would be either a spoiler party for the party that should have won or have no overall effect on the election. Basically, third party votes don’t mean jack unless we switch to single transferable vote. And a third party winning wouldn’t matter unless we switched to proportional representation in Congress, since a third party POTUS would have no support from either side.

Sam > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig
11/01/2016 at 22:19

It’ll be a close race, though. Polls before the election don’t mean much if nobody goes out and votes. And I predict record-breakingly low turnout this year. I’d say Trump still has a shot, just because he’s fired up his diehard supporters to go to the polls a lot more than Clinton has. But if people actually go out and vote, it’ll be a landslide victory for Clinton.

Exciting stuff.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
11/01/2016 at 22:36

Makes for great ratings.

IanZ - limited-slip indifferential > MrDakka
11/02/2016 at 01:33

I’m not old enough to vote, which is honestly a little bit of a relief, but if I were, I would vote for Hillary. Neither Stein or Johnson will win, and Trump is a hard pass on so many levels. So... Sauron, I guess.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > Cherry_man1
11/04/2016 at 11:24

Think about this, which one do you want appointing a supreme court judge?

Cherry_man1 > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
11/04/2016 at 23:29

Neither

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > Cherry_man1
11/05/2016 at 14:09

but one of them will win.

Cherry_man1 > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
11/05/2016 at 15:52

I will say I did vote for one of them but I’m not going to say who as to not start things or be accused of being something I’m not.